Rigidity in teaching

topic posted Sun, October 14, 2007 - 7:38 PM by  Candice
After some, admittedly, poor experiences at an Iyengar conference lately, I have to ask: do you find, as an Iyengar teacher, or an Iyengar student, that there is rigidity in the teachings?
What I would like to hear, ideally, is that each teacher, regardless of tradition, is understanding why we teach what we teach, instead of mindlessly passing it on.
Iyengar himself has called this practice an experiment.
And sometimes, some teachers, make me feel as though its lost that sense of experiment, and sometimes, lost it's heart. Mr. Iyengar, although a demanding teacher, has always had heart, always connects with his students. And unfortunately there have been a few teachers who left me feeling, well, jaded and depressed, instead of inspired and uplifted. Instead of feeling like I can overcome my obstacles, have left me feeling like I am defined as subpar for my limitations. The pursuit of the perfect pose instead of the pursuit of the perfect pose for my body.
Would love some feedback on this!
posted by:
Candice
  • Re: Rigidity in teaching

    Sun, October 14, 2007 - 8:28 PM
    Hi Candice,
    I think you bring up a good point.
    There is a strong tradition. I see it in myself. You are right that as students and teachers we should not become too bound by that tradition. As a teacher I need to see every student as an individual. There are many ways that we are all different. We can not just force ourself into the asana, rather the asana has to come and live in us.
    • Re: Rigidity in teaching

      Mon, October 15, 2007 - 9:41 AM
      Hi Candice,
      I totally hear what your saying. I sometimes find confusion in the teachings as well. I went thru the 500 hour training at the Iyengar instiitute in SF and found some teachers more rigid than others and would say different things. I would feel at times that, okay i'm going to try this pose and ease myself into it. But then who ever was teaching the class, would sometimes scream and yell at us which would cause more tension my body. No release would come. After awhile I didn't like this method because I felt like I was being forced into these asanas instead of "encouraged to practice them". There would be times when I would feel depressed and exhausted. Towards the end of my training, I actually lost the joy of it all and didn't even want to go to class!
      So I took a break from teaching and it was the best thing I could've done. I still went to class stopped pushing myself because I was doing it for no reason.
      I went to a yoga intensive workshop this past weekend and felt inspired again. I wish a lot of the teachers were like this one b/c he encouraged us to listen to our bodies. If you start tensing and straining in a pose, you need to back off.

      I don't know if any of this helps you out, but I could go on and on about this topic. I'm not Iyengar certified b/c of the rigidity in the process. anyway, I'll stop there.
      • Re: Rigidity in teaching

        Fri, December 21, 2007 - 12:17 AM
        Hi Candice (and everyone),

        Interestingly, my first thought while reading these posts was that quality Iyengar yoga teaching is the complete opposite of rigidity! Never have I experienced another form of yoga where the teachers are so knowledgable on how to use props to adapt poses to students' individual needs and injuries. I don't believe simply listening to your body or backing off are the best answers. Sometimes the body wants to stop when its capacity - and best course of action for progression in the practice - is to hold or even go deeper. And surely a student benefits more from doing a pose modified to his/her capacity than simply sitting one out. (By the way, I'm not claiming to speak for any Iyengar Yoga teacher or student here.)

        On the other hand, I do understand what you are saying about rigidity. There is a certain sternness, even a fierceness, about many Iyengar Yoga teachers. I have thought about this over the years (and across the continents!) and I've come to the conclusion that this sternness is usually fastidiousness. Time is a precious resource in a yoga class and good teachers hate to waste it. I believe that lack of tact in expression (though annoying) can often be chalked up to frustration - if I've had the same student 10 times (or 10 years, like some do!) and s/he's still making the same basic mistakes due to poor attention, lack of effort, etc., I'd get frustrated too. I might even get fierce! ;-) I think students owe it to their instructors - and themselves - to give 100% of attention in effort in a class. When I do that, I don't get yelled at - not even by the most ferocious of Iyengar Yoga teachers. :) When I don't, sometimes I do - and I know I deserve it.

        OK, perhaps this is going to raise some hackles, but I have to say that my time with Iyengar Yoga has led me to the conclusion that there are indeed RIGHT and WRONG ways to do asanas. RIGHT asanas bring strength, power, confidence, tranquility, physical health and spiritual uplift. I know it because I have experienced it. WRONG asanas cause injury at worst, or physical aggrivation of injuries. I know because I've experienced this too. But even a pose done in such a way that the student is not deriving any benefit from the pose is also wrong. And I also think that the more a teacher knows what's right and wrong in asanas, the more it pains them to see the wrongs happening in their very own classes!!! See what I mean? Ferocity of *most* of the Iyengar Yoga teachers I have known -- sure there are the odd egomaniacs, but in my experience they are rare -- is rooted in the fierce desire to impart correctness, because correctness leads to progress! They teach Iyengar Yoga because it is something that they love and believe in SO MUCH that they want others to share in its bounty as they do. The greater the love, the greater the desire to nurture and foster its growth in others. And perhaps this degree of devotion is a form of attachment in and of itself. That's why the best teachers I know also have a sense of humor and can laugh at themselves, viewing the shortcomings of their students with equanimity while simultaneously striving to give them what they need.

        Whew, this got longer than I expected - probably because of my own love for, and attachment to, Iyengar Yoga. But enough typing, it's time for me to go practice! ;-)

        Kimberly

        P.S. In case you're wondering: I've been a student of Iyengar Yoga for nearly 10 years. I also teach (since 2000, when I got a Hatha cert.) and I've done 2/3 of an Iyengar Yoga teacher training program. I haven't gone up for cert. as an Iyengar teacher, or finished the training which I considered to be first-rate, because I travel too often (I move oveseas every two years or so). One day... :-)
        • Re: Rigidity in teaching

          Mon, February 4, 2008 - 8:31 PM
          Not hackles, just a thought to toss in from my perspective, for whatever it's worth.

          There are two principles.

          The first is that there are things that are inherently "wrong" and there are things that are variance or differences from one school or lineage to the next. For example, a pose that aggrandizes the Ego (or power) of the student without transforming it might be completely appropriate for one style. It is not, in the style in which I teach and practice. Power has to be tempered.

          The second principle is that a determination of what is appropriate may best be based on how it serves the svadharma of the practitioner. In this way we are not champions of dogma and yoga truly sets itself apart from other disciplines. If the student's life is being served can we really say that what they are doing is "wrong" or "right". For a student only holding the intention of lean muscle mass Viniyoga would not be an appropriate choice. Likewise a student only holding the intention of meeting god would not be best served by YogaFit.

          But I would contend the following:
          A Yoga practice (capital Y) should do more than make your coat shinny, your teeth white and your muscles lean. You can get that with calendula, bleach, and Tae Bo.



          You Said:
          "OK, perhaps this is going to raise some hackles, but I have to say that my time with Iyengar Yoga has led me to the conclusion that there are indeed RIGHT and WRONG ways to do asanas. RIGHT asanas bring strength, power, confidence, tranquility, physical health and spiritual uplift. I know it because I have experienced it. WRONG asanas cause injury at worst, or physical aggrivation of injuries"
          • Re: Rigidity in teaching

            Tue, February 5, 2008 - 12:21 PM
            A couple thoughts:

            How would you compare the "rigidity" of a properly trained Iyengar teacher who can give the student any number of different poses & modifications with props, etc. based on the student's needs or limitations to that of an Ashtanga or Bikram teacher who teaches the same series of poses with the same timing in the same order (and in the case of the Bikram teacher, must follow the copyrighted script for instruction)?

            I think the "rigidity" that is being described in this thread is coming partly from the personality of individual teachers and partly from the concept (that some people aren't comfortable with, including a lot of popular yoga teachers that I know) that there is a RIGHT way and WRONG way to do the poses.
  • Re: Rigidity in teaching

    Fri, February 29, 2008 - 12:13 AM
    Iyengar is not in charge of his trip anymore, it has become a revenue stream controlled by others. I study with a senior advanced Iyengar instructor of which there are like 5 or 6. They are all devoted to BKS but dont have much to do with the iyengar institution as it has become rigid and rule bound. Lets face it Iyengar is a brand name that makes him money. Yoga is the science of union with God, with the devine our selves, it belongs to no one and all. after about 20 years of daily practice is when one really starts to be a teacher.

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